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		<title>Comment on Must watch video: Eleven arrests during peaceful Occupy London protest at the Bank of England by Dom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Dom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 May 2012 10:30:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think the way the police behaved was really unacceptable. They had been trying to get a reaction for quite some time and were being needlessly provocative. The only way to overcome this is for us to be out in ever greater numbers, and to maintain what has been a wonderfully peaceful presence. 

However, I did feel disappointed with aspects of the protest. 

The amount of drinking and week smoking was just too much. I do not really have a problem with either of them; but when you are trying to make a political point, and lots of the people around you are drinking and smoking mid-day, it ruins your message. It makes me reluctant to go to the protests because I question the motivation of some of the participants. It&#039;s not like it was just a couple of people either; it was many.

Secondly, by the end of the night it looked like a scene from outside a cheap night club. There was a totally drunk girl running around dry humping her boyfriend. Many were lying down drunk and stoned. To anyone walking past they would not believe it was a serious political movement, and frankly, I felt a great deal of it wasn&#039;t.

There are some wonderful, brave, and insightful people in the occupy movement, and I really admire what they are doing. But it strikes me that there are a large faction for who the difference between sticking it to authority, and genuinely wanting to alleviate the suffering in the world, is not clearly distinguished. 

I do not mind what people do in their spare time, but I think when people are out in the political field, drink and drugs are banned. Either occupy gets on top of this and stops tolerating it, or the movement loses its credibility. 

To me, it comes down to this: if you do not have the self-control and discipline to be sober in the field, you do not have what it takes to change society for the better. 

The best thing occupy can do is to get right on top of this fast.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think the way the police behaved was really unacceptable. They had been trying to get a reaction for quite some time and were being needlessly provocative. The only way to overcome this is for us to be out in ever greater numbers, and to maintain what has been a wonderfully peaceful presence. </p>
<p>However, I did feel disappointed with aspects of the protest. </p>
<p>The amount of drinking and week smoking was just too much. I do not really have a problem with either of them; but when you are trying to make a political point, and lots of the people around you are drinking and smoking mid-day, it ruins your message. It makes me reluctant to go to the protests because I question the motivation of some of the participants. It&#8217;s not like it was just a couple of people either; it was many.</p>
<p>Secondly, by the end of the night it looked like a scene from outside a cheap night club. There was a totally drunk girl running around dry humping her boyfriend. Many were lying down drunk and stoned. To anyone walking past they would not believe it was a serious political movement, and frankly, I felt a great deal of it wasn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>There are some wonderful, brave, and insightful people in the occupy movement, and I really admire what they are doing. But it strikes me that there are a large faction for who the difference between sticking it to authority, and genuinely wanting to alleviate the suffering in the world, is not clearly distinguished. </p>
<p>I do not mind what people do in their spare time, but I think when people are out in the political field, drink and drugs are banned. Either occupy gets on top of this and stops tolerating it, or the movement loses its credibility. </p>
<p>To me, it comes down to this: if you do not have the self-control and discipline to be sober in the field, you do not have what it takes to change society for the better. </p>
<p>The best thing occupy can do is to get right on top of this fast.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 12 May: Global Day of Action &#8211; Meet the 1% by Nigel</title>
		<link>http://occupyLSX.org/?p=4094#comment-123600</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 May 2012 04:42:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>David,  interesting that you feel able to make certain assumptions about me,  based on one post. To suggest that I am &quot;totally disconnected with how the majority of people live&quot;,  is funny,but insulting,  but also typical of the attitude of occupy supporters.  For your info,  I was born in a world of real poverty.  Thanks to the love and guidance of my parents,  I was able to make a reasonable life for myself.  I&#039;ve always lived within my means, and now I live comfortably.  I could only achieve that in the capatilist world that you seem to despise.  The world that you wish on us would punish anyone with ambition,  and reduce all to a level of poverty that you cannot even begin to understand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>David,  interesting that you feel able to make certain assumptions about me,  based on one post. To suggest that I am &#8220;totally disconnected with how the majority of people live&#8221;,  is funny,but insulting,  but also typical of the attitude of occupy supporters.  For your info,  I was born in a world of real poverty.  Thanks to the love and guidance of my parents,  I was able to make a reasonable life for myself.  I&#8217;ve always lived within my means, and now I live comfortably.  I could only achieve that in the capatilist world that you seem to despise.  The world that you wish on us would punish anyone with ambition,  and reduce all to a level of poverty that you cannot even begin to understand.</p>
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		<title>Comment on International &#8216;Global Spring&#8217; Assembly releases manifesto in preparation for mass world-wide protests this weekend by ADIEYIEMANFO (Movement of Positive Action Networks)</title>
		<link>http://occupyLSX.org/?p=4105#comment-123496</link>
		<dc:creator>ADIEYIEMANFO (Movement of Positive Action Networks)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 14 May 2012 09:55:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From the main base of our AFRIKA LAKE OCCUPATIONAL POSUBAN (ALOP), in the La township of the city of Accra, the capital of Ghana, we of the ADIEYIEMANFO Movement of Positive Action Networks express our unanimous endorsement of the Global Spring May 2012 Statement. We agree to have ADIEYIEMANFO listed among the organisations officially endorsing this statement. From our ALOP main base in La, we are engaged in our own creatively innovative &quot;Occupation Guerrilla Peacebrigade Operations of Non-Violent Positive Action&quot; in defence of our community&#039;s right to reclaim the Afrika Lake and its surrounding land as a whole back into collective ownership as Commons for our HEDZOLEKLOWA Eco-Heritage Village Aquacultural Park and Gardens Resort. We are using the Global Spring Statement as the Global Justice rationale for our operations and thereby conscientising increasing numbers of people from the impoverished masses of our &quot;Wretched of the Earth&quot; and their supporters to join our Positive Action campaigning endeavours. We are glad to have the support of the Pan-Afrikan Liberation Solidarity Action Link in the United Kingdom (PALSAL-UK) and other groups within and beyond the Pan-Afrikan Liberation Solidarity International of the Global Justice Forum (PALSI-GJF). As we are energetically promoting here in Ghana, and throughout the continent and diaspora of Afrika, fervent Internationalist Solidarity among the 99% of all &quot;Peoples of Conscience&quot; everywhere, we hope we can also count upon similar support from all other activist groups and individuals of the Occupy movement in Europe, the Americas and all over the World. A Luta Continua! Ubuntumandla! Venceremos!
Co-Signed: Kojo Prah Annan, Ms. Awura Afitsufe Ampofo, Asafobaatan Ko Dwamena; For the ADIEYIEMANFO Movent of Positive Action Networks, The Afrika Lake Posuban, La, Accra, Ghana. 14th May 2012.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the main base of our AFRIKA LAKE OCCUPATIONAL POSUBAN (ALOP), in the La township of the city of Accra, the capital of Ghana, we of the ADIEYIEMANFO Movement of Positive Action Networks express our unanimous endorsement of the Global Spring May 2012 Statement. We agree to have ADIEYIEMANFO listed among the organisations officially endorsing this statement. From our ALOP main base in La, we are engaged in our own creatively innovative &#8220;Occupation Guerrilla Peacebrigade Operations of Non-Violent Positive Action&#8221; in defence of our community&#8217;s right to reclaim the Afrika Lake and its surrounding land as a whole back into collective ownership as Commons for our HEDZOLEKLOWA Eco-Heritage Village Aquacultural Park and Gardens Resort. We are using the Global Spring Statement as the Global Justice rationale for our operations and thereby conscientising increasing numbers of people from the impoverished masses of our &#8220;Wretched of the Earth&#8221; and their supporters to join our Positive Action campaigning endeavours. We are glad to have the support of the Pan-Afrikan Liberation Solidarity Action Link in the United Kingdom (PALSAL-UK) and other groups within and beyond the Pan-Afrikan Liberation Solidarity International of the Global Justice Forum (PALSI-GJF). As we are energetically promoting here in Ghana, and throughout the continent and diaspora of Afrika, fervent Internationalist Solidarity among the 99% of all &#8220;Peoples of Conscience&#8221; everywhere, we hope we can also count upon similar support from all other activist groups and individuals of the Occupy movement in Europe, the Americas and all over the World. A Luta Continua! Ubuntumandla! Venceremos!<br />
Co-Signed: Kojo Prah Annan, Ms. Awura Afitsufe Ampofo, Asafobaatan Ko Dwamena; For the ADIEYIEMANFO Movent of Positive Action Networks, The Afrika Lake Posuban, La, Accra, Ghana. 14th May 2012.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 12 May: Global Day of Action &#8211; Meet the 1% by Hugh</title>
		<link>http://occupyLSX.org/?p=4094#comment-123391</link>
		<dc:creator>Hugh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 15:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I thought was a reasonable comment about seeking confrontation with the police on one of the pics posted on facebook was removed yesterday. Well it&#039;s your facebook page and you can do what you like with it, I understand you don&#039;t like anything looking like negativity appearing there.

However I would like to re-iterate here that what was billed as &#039;visiting the 1%&#039; on the ground turned into a police baiting run around with aggressive hotheads making the running and later making self-justifying self-righteous comments about how brutal the police were. What the hell do you expect? They are a police FORCE. They will use FORCE to defend space against what they perceive as disorder, especially in the City of London.

Instead of whinging about how you got hit by a copper can&#039;t you do some serious tactical thinking about what impact you wish to make? The media ignored it because it was small scale stuff (compared to Madrid for example). Occupying space has some symbolic importance, granted, but then what do you do? You did it at St Pauls and it had its impact, but it&#039;s clear that doing it over and over again in itself is not going to move things very much further.

Also this is not &#039;what democracy looks like&#039;. It may be what freedom of speech and assembly look like, but democracy itself is slow, bureaucratic and rather boring. Festive street action is all very well but there is the risk of self satisfied inward looking pride in saying &#039;look what we did, look how horrible the police were&#039; while you have failed to move the debate or the struggle anywhere substantial.

The lady who spoke at St Pauls on behalf of the NHS was more relevant in a way than anyone - the most pressing issue at the moment as far as I can see is the unvoted for undemocratic privatisation of every public service going in the service of corporate profit rather than social need - and they only way to address that is to forge alliances and do some hard traditional politics - with occupation as only one tactic among many.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I thought was a reasonable comment about seeking confrontation with the police on one of the pics posted on facebook was removed yesterday. Well it&#8217;s your facebook page and you can do what you like with it, I understand you don&#8217;t like anything looking like negativity appearing there.</p>
<p>However I would like to re-iterate here that what was billed as &#8216;visiting the 1%&#8217; on the ground turned into a police baiting run around with aggressive hotheads making the running and later making self-justifying self-righteous comments about how brutal the police were. What the hell do you expect? They are a police FORCE. They will use FORCE to defend space against what they perceive as disorder, especially in the City of London.</p>
<p>Instead of whinging about how you got hit by a copper can&#8217;t you do some serious tactical thinking about what impact you wish to make? The media ignored it because it was small scale stuff (compared to Madrid for example). Occupying space has some symbolic importance, granted, but then what do you do? You did it at St Pauls and it had its impact, but it&#8217;s clear that doing it over and over again in itself is not going to move things very much further.</p>
<p>Also this is not &#8216;what democracy looks like&#8217;. It may be what freedom of speech and assembly look like, but democracy itself is slow, bureaucratic and rather boring. Festive street action is all very well but there is the risk of self satisfied inward looking pride in saying &#8216;look what we did, look how horrible the police were&#8217; while you have failed to move the debate or the struggle anywhere substantial.</p>
<p>The lady who spoke at St Pauls on behalf of the NHS was more relevant in a way than anyone &#8211; the most pressing issue at the moment as far as I can see is the unvoted for undemocratic privatisation of every public service going in the service of corporate profit rather than social need &#8211; and they only way to address that is to forge alliances and do some hard traditional politics &#8211; with occupation as only one tactic among many.</p>
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		<title>Comment on MAY 15 &#8211; Drought of Democracy: Flood the British Bankers&#8217; Association! by Phillip Rushton</title>
		<link>http://occupyLSX.org/?p=4082#comment-123367</link>
		<dc:creator>Phillip Rushton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 10:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>keep up the good work</description>
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		<title>Comment on General Assembly – 4pm Saturday 12th May 2012 by JJ</title>
		<link>http://occupyLSX.org/?p=4109#comment-123350</link>
		<dc:creator>JJ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 13 May 2012 01:46:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this post an attempt at parody?</description>
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		<title>Comment on 12 May: Global Day of Action &#8211; Meet the 1% by david</title>
		<link>http://occupyLSX.org/?p=4094#comment-123180</link>
		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 10:49:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah sure, the majority of workers thinks that it&#039;s good to be exploited by the ruling class, who force you to work for barely being able to live (or survive), while they&#039;re making profit on your back because they own the means of production.
Where do you see democracy in UK? 
You must be in your own world, surrounded by other capitalists, and totally disconnected with how the majority of people live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah sure, the majority of workers thinks that it&#8217;s good to be exploited by the ruling class, who force you to work for barely being able to live (or survive), while they&#8217;re making profit on your back because they own the means of production.<br />
Where do you see democracy in UK?<br />
You must be in your own world, surrounded by other capitalists, and totally disconnected with how the majority of people live.</p>
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		<title>Comment on 12 May: Global Day of Action &#8211; Meet the 1% by press</title>
		<link>http://occupyLSX.org/?p=4094#comment-123176</link>
		<dc:creator>press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 09:52:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There does tend to be a reason for people being blocked - and it won&#039;t be due to disagreement over political ideas. Generally it is for abuse of the safer spaces policy</description>
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		<title>Comment on 12 May: Global Day of Action &#8211; Meet the 1% by press</title>
		<link>http://occupyLSX.org/?p=4094#comment-123175</link>
		<dc:creator>press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 May 2012 09:51:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Don&#039;t think that is the case</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Don&#8217;t think that is the case</p>
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		<title>Comment on 12 May: Global Day of Action &#8211; Meet the 1% by Nigel</title>
		<link>http://occupyLSX.org/?p=4094#comment-123123</link>
		<dc:creator>Nigel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 May 2012 19:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Interesting that you seemed to have blocked anyone from commenting on your facebook page who disagrees with you.  I don&#039;t expect to recieve a reply,  but just ask yourselves if you really think that &#039;North Korean&#039; type of democracy is going to win you many friends?  It&#039;s a shame really,  because if you actually listened to the majority, instead of trying to dictate to them,  you just might make a difference.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Interesting that you seemed to have blocked anyone from commenting on your facebook page who disagrees with you.  I don&#8217;t expect to recieve a reply,  but just ask yourselves if you really think that &#8216;North Korean&#8217; type of democracy is going to win you many friends?  It&#8217;s a shame really,  because if you actually listened to the majority, instead of trying to dictate to them,  you just might make a difference.</p>
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